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Welcome to the Wednesday, June 9, 2021 Pima Community College Governing Board meeting. The first item on our agenda is the public hearing and special meeting. The first thing I'm going to do is call to order the convening of the public hearing. In keeping with the notice given to the general public, we are calling to order the public hearing on the proposed budget for fiscal year 2021 to 2022. At last month's meeting of the Governing Board, a comprehensive review of the proposed fiscal year 2021 to 2022 budget was presented by Dr. Bea. Following discussion, the board directed that the proposed fiscal year 2021/2022 budget be formally presented for consideration by the residents and taxpayers of the college district. This has now been accomplished in accordance with state law by publishing the proposed budget and notice of this evening's public hearing in the Arizona Daily Star on May 24 and May 30, 2021. The board would like to ask the administration to give a brief overview of the budget prior to responding to any questions from the public. Chancellor Lambert? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes. Good evening, everybody, Mr. Chair. I'm glad to have Dr. David Bea just do a brief summary of the proposed budget. Dave? >> DR. DAVID BEA: Chairperson Clinco, members of the board, Chancellor Lambert, colleagues and guests. Good evening, and welcome to any guests who may be joining us tonight. It is my pleasure to present to you all the proposed budget and tax information for fiscal year 2022. That's the year that starts in July. As you all know, this is the culmination of a series of board study sessions, board action items, discussions with the college and the community that occur beginning in the fall and then in earnest all during the spring semester. I am pleased to report that this budget reflects the increased expenditure limitation, and -- >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I'm sorry to interrupt. There is sort of a reverberated echo. If there's any way you could talk just a little clearer into the microphone so we could hear you a little clearer. Thank you. >> DR. DAVID BEA: Is that better? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: It may be the sound system here. I think it's a little bit better. Thank you. >> DR. DAVID BEA: Okay. I will do my best. I'm pleased to report that the budget that we're going to be presenting tonight reflects the increased expenditure limitation as passed by the voters last November through Proposition 481, and consistent with that, the budget does not include a tax levy increase. I will start tonight, I will do a very quick overview of the tax levy information, and then I'll pause if there are any board questions about taxes, and then I'll move into a quick summary of the budget and then leave some time and questions for that. This is a very quick overview and summary of the property tax information. The net tax value information here at the top, it shows this column is what the current year is and then the proposed is the fiscal year '22. So the tax value, this figure up here is what the Pima County tax value, the total property valuation in the county. So if you read that, that's in hundreds, which means it's 9.1 billion in '21, moving up to almost 9.7 billion in the upcoming year. The overall change in valuation for the year is a little over 6%. What's really important to the college is the next figure down, which is that the new property grew by 1.1%. What that means is that if a new property enters the tax rolls, we realize that entire property tax from that new property, and we don't have to increase the tax rate to realize that revenue. That's what this figure is down here at the bottom. The 1.3-plus million is what's generated from new property taxes, and that is all that we are doing as we are doing what's called levy neutral, which means that we are keeping the tax rate essentially the same and only generating the additional revenue from the new property growth. That results in a decrease -- because there is an increase in the property valuation that happened during the year, that means that our tax rate will decrease about 4.7%. That's from the $1.33 and change to the $1.27. What that means, for a property that's valued at $100,000, the tax bill for this upcoming year would be $127.33. That's how you read that. And again, we are going levy neutral. That was something that we discussed as part of Prop 481, both to reinforce the idea that we really needed just relief from expenditure limitation and also in reflection of the fact that COVID and the pandemic has had an adverse impact on our community, it would not be a good time for us to increase the taxes for that reason, as well. The last two charts I have related to the tax gives some perspective. This is a comparison of our peer institutions and what their tax rates are. As you can see, we are the third lowest in the state, just a touch over Maricopa. As you can see over on the far right-hand side, Coconino is an outlier, they were founded with a very low tax rate and they have actually over the years been trying to increase that tax rate because it's really inhibiting their ability, financial flexibility and ability to provide education. So they are not a very good measure over there on the right-hand side. Then you can see that we are on the low end of the spectrum compared to our peer institutions. Then this last chart shows the comparison over time and how the tax rates have changed. As I believe you all know, we do not have a secondary tax rate. We haven't issued GO bonds in a long time, and we paid them off back in 2015. So you can see that our tax rate, as we have been levy neutral the last two years, that our tax rate has been declining and is getting back to about the same total tax rate as what was experienced back in fiscal year '07. The one other thing that I wanted to add and we put this in the board packet for information is because we have not increased the levy maximum the last two years that we have been levy neutral, our levy maximum is now about $5 million above what we will be levying. We retain that ability to increase up to that level through a truth-in-taxation process in the future. I want the board to be aware we have that additional capacity out there for future years, should we need it. With that, I will pause if there are any questions related to the taxes. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Are there any questions from the board? Dr. Bea, if we could just -- I overlooked the roll call. I want to do that for the record because we have somebody calling in, too. If you could just quickly do the roll call, Mr. Silvyn. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Gonzales? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Here. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Here. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Ripley? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Here. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Clinco? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Here. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: I believe Dr. Hay is with us remotely. >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Yes. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Are there any questions for Dr. Bea? Yes, Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: So what's the total increase again in the budget, the increase in revenues? >> DR. DAVID BEA: The increase in revenues is about 1.3 million, little more than 1.3 million. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Repeat that again? I can't hear you. >> DR. DAVID BEA: 1.35 million. This figure here. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Any other questions from any board members on this? Okay. We are now going to have a call for public comment. The public comment will be permitted regarding the proposed budget. We have one person for public comment. Makyla Hays. >> Hello? I apologize for the Pokemon on the screen, but my son was logged in for class. So if you can see my logo, that's why. Good evening, members of the board, colleagues and guests. I watched the presentation on Monday night about the proposed property restoration project. Thank you, everyone, for asking questions and working towards the best solution for the college. Let me start by saying I am one who loves history and preserving history. I love seeing renovations that restore value merge the modern-day function with historical memory, and I truly do see the value in that. However, I also really appreciated Board Member Garcia's questions about the price tag and our funding options and how those balance with faculty and staff salaries. I appreciated Mr. Clinco's questions about funding sources as well as the history in recent years has been that capital was separate from operations with expenditure limitations. It seems we are no longer divided by this distinction with the passage of 481 and 207. So my question is this: Is this the time to do it? Should the college move forward with the proposed renovations and expansion now at the cost of honoring the work the employees have done this past year during COVID, and truly the past seven years with no step advancement or step program in place. Or could we do more for our employees than a small cost-of-living adjustment and $1,000 stipend if we prioritize our spending differently? It seems we do actually have the money, and that money could be spent for those that have put in countless hours of work transitioning the jobs to support students and each other throughout the pandemic situation. I know there was a slide presented to you at the budget session showing how the cost-of-living adjustments have capped wages somewhat in line with inflation. However, I think if you look at the cumulative effect of not having steps or yearly cost of living adjustments for each employee group separately, you'd find that faculty and staff have not actually kept up, and we are significantly behind where we would have been if there been yearly COLAs since 2014. This year's 2% COLA and $1,000 falls short of making up for that. Employees are of course thankful for help, but many are still hurting and feeling the impact of making relatively less money than they had seven years ago. The college had expenditure limitation as the reason for not being able to make these adjustments before. It's a little disheartening to hear discussions of taking money that could be used to fill in that financial gap for employees and using it towards such a large-scale project. I heard wonderful things about the Teaching and Learning Center and the support for faculty on Monday night. I definitely don't want to diminish their work. They were very helpful, and I feel it was necessary to have their support during this past transition. However, should we put this expense towards a new building and renovated space at the expense of helping out faculty and staff more? Is there a way that we could give the departments those space while still helping employees out more at this time? Before Monday's presentation, my public comment was mainly going to be to let you know that PCCEA did meet briefly with Dr. Bea. We had a good discussion, and it's always a joy to work with Dr. Bea. I really do truly respect him. But we did not actually get to go over all our questions that as had been asked by Ms. Ripley. What we did discuss was we should meet more often and earlier starting in the fall this coming year to address future budgetary questions. I'm hopeful that these future conversations can be productive and substantive as we work together to move PCC forward. Thank you so much. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Ms. Hays. That is the end of the public comments that are preregistered. Is there anyone else who wishes to make a comment at this time? Okay. Hearing none, we are going to adjourn the public hearing, and we are going to convene the special meeting to consider the two motions. So having met the requirements prescribed by state law, do I have a motion to approve the Pima County Community College District's property tax rates levies for fiscal year 2022? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: We are just asking about the tax levies? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: This is only the tax levy. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: So moved. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Is there a second? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Second. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Any discussion? Okay. Hearing none, we will do a roll call vote. Mr. Silvyn? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Gonzales? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Yes. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Yes. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Ripley? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Yes. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Clinco? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Yes. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Dr. Hay? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Yes. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: The motion passes unanimously. The next item is having met the requirements prescribed by state law for the review of the college's proposed budget, do I have a motion to approve the proposed budget for the Pima Community College District for fiscal year July 1, 2021, through June 30, 2022? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing. Can I table it? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Well, first someone has to make a motion and then you could ask to table it. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Yes. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I move for approval. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Is there a second? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Second. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Discussion. Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Well, I'm not sure quite how to do this. But I would request that any funds for Trane, the Trane project, be eliminated from the budget until we vote and the package is presented to us on what's going to be done. I'm not sure how to do that. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Bea maybe could provide an explanation for the cap that we are approving tonight. Dr. Bea, could you maybe provide a little bit of explanation about the framework and that large capital expenditure would still have to come back to the board for approval? >> DR. DAVID BEA: Yeah, and then I'm sure Jeff will probably add in a little bit after what I say. So the budget includes the capacity to be able to do that project. That project has to come back to the board for approval before it actually will happen. So it would be consistent to approve the budget as is, as we have presented it, and still have the future decision related to Trane upcoming in a future board action item. We have talked to the board about doing it that way. Again, this gives us the capability to do that project, because ultimately the budget is establishing a maximum amount we can spend, but we can always decide not to do something and spend less. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Dr. Bea, I appreciate the information that you're providing. But in my view, that needs to be eliminated from the budget at this point. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Just one point of clarification, if what you do is lower the budget by that amount, then we can't spend it for anything. So -- >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: And that's okay. Because we are not going to make any decisions until all of this stuff comes through, it's going to be another six months before anything happens. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: I guess a couple things to consider. One is, as Dr. Bea said, passing the budget does not commit the board to fund any particular capital projects. So any capital project over $250,000 like that one has to come back to the board. So approval tonight does not in any way commit the college to fund that project. The second piece would be, if you take it out of the budget you reduce spending. Instead, if you leave it in the budget, we can always move that money to fund a different project or no project at all, but you have the option to do so. Whereas if you just lower the budget by that amount of money, we can't spend that amount of money on anything. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Well, I'm going to apologize, but since I can't trust what's happening, I still am going to propose that we delete that from the budget. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So, Ms. Garcia, what you would need to do is offer an amendment to the motion or you could offer a substitute motion, and then we would vote on that amendment, we would vote it up or down, and then we would vote on the underlying item. Do you want to make a -- first of all, first of all, would it be considered a friendly amendment to the motion maker and the person who made the second? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: So if I might explain that. The way our procedural rules are set up, if someone makes a motion and then someone wants to amend the motion, the person who made the original motion has a decision to make. I agree with that amendment, and I will accept it as a friendly amendment, in which case we don't have a separate vote on it. Or you could say, I don't think it aligns with what my intent was. Therefore I don't accept it as a friendly amendment, in which case we have to have a vote on whether to amend or not. Does that... >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So what I think we would -- what we are going to have to -- so I think maybe we should vote on it separately, and then so we can, so we need -- the motion has been made. Is there a second for the motion to amend the motion? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Second. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Now we can have a discussion about the -- >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Proposed amendment. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: This particular proposal. So is there any discussion on this particular amendment to the underlying motion? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Okay. I can discuss. Considering, I think I have already discussed my feelings about the way that some of this stuff has gone through with the contract, I have my doubts about how the system is being run, okay, and I apologize for that, but it's my own personal opinion about things. So in reviewing the facilities report, the audit that they did, there is a lot of questions about what should happen and shouldn't happen, okay? So I am not comfortable putting this at all in the budget considering that the chancellor has the ability to approve $250,000 on anything. He could do that with some portions of it and still spend money on it. So therefore, I'm not willing to have that in the budget. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. Is there any additional discussion? Ms. Ripley? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Yes. Thank you, Ms. Garcia. I just want to make it clear so that I understand this. If we keep it in the budget, it's not earmarked necessarily specifically for the Trane project. It's in the budget. So if it we, as a board, vote not to continue the Trane project, we still have that money available in the case of and the opportunity to do some other capital or not capital but other mechanical improvements. The AC units, talking about the HVAC units really, and the follow-on projects with the school of mechanics. But if we needed a new HVAC system and we didn't have that budget, that money in the budget, we would be out on a limb, correct? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Right. And Dr. Bea, I think, would echo this. The budget you are passing is a capacity budget. What that means is it's the maximum amount that you can spend on different areas. It does not require that you spend it. Whatever you set as that capacity limit is the limit that we spend. So if you reduce the budget by, pick a number, a million dollars, just for simplicity, then you cannot spend that additional million dollars on anything in the upcoming fiscal year. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: How much money are we talking about in that particular line item? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Bea? >> DR. DAVID BEA: Approximately 13 million. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: So if we kept that $13 million in, and I want to repeat this, it is not specifically earmarked for Trane; is that correct? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Bea? >> DR. DAVID BEA: So in the capital project list, it was listed as a potential project, but again, it will not happen if the board does not approve going forward with that project. So it is essentially set aside for that project. If that project doesn't happen, then that money would be set aside and available for another use that the board may approve. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Great. Thank you. I think that answers -- just for everybody's clarity, though, the whole reason we went down this track, no pun intend, with Trane, but we were looking for, because out of necessity, an improvement to our HVAC system? That's not correct? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: No, it's not. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Chancellor Lambert? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So at some point, the college is going to have to address its deferred maintenance issues, which HVAC and our energy management systems are a component of that. I think another facet to keep in mind, in addition to that $13 million that Dave is talking about, a subset of that, correct me if I'm wrong, Dave, is federal stimulus money. Even if the board did not agree to the 13 million, that doesn't mean that we have -- we still have the stimulus money, but it's limited in how it can be used. In other words, the Trane project is not $13 million from the college. Some of that is from the stimulus money. Does that make sense? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: How much is that? Just the stimulus money. >> DR. DAVID BEA: We are estimating that we can use about $5 million of stimulus money for that $13 million project. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Are there other questions or comments from the board? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman Clinco? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Yes, Dr. Hay? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: I just want to support Commander Ripley's assessment and think that her analysis of the money that's in the budget versus how we spend it ultimately is correct, and I support her analysis. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. Yes, Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: The one thing is this is the highest budget that the college has ever approved. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Bea, is that accurate? >> DR. DAVID BEA: Yes, it is. It reflects -- let's put a little bit of an explanation. So it reflects the federal stimulus money coming into the college, so that's an increase of money, that's money we haven't received in any fashion or in the relative size we are talking about now, and then the other component to it, and this is even the bigger part of it, is that the budget reflects a lot of capital projects that we already have underway, the continuation of the aviation construction as well as the continuation of the Applied Technology building, and then also setting aside to start up the project for Allied Health. So it's really, the growth in the budget is really a function of growth in our capital projects, which have been planned, most of which have been planned for some long period of time, actually, and reflected by the revenue bonds projects and the issuing revenue bonds a number of years ago. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Dr. Bea, let me ask again, and sorry if I'm being redundant. So $13 million assigned to the Trane, you're saying not all of that is going to be -- we are budgeting it, but we are not going to be putting that money in. So in my assessment, subtract the $5 million from the 13 or is the 5 million a combination of everything on what we are being given on the stimulus money? >> DR. DAVID BEA: So I think the issue is that the budget gives you the ability, the budget that we are proposing, gives you the ability to spend the entire $13 million for the project. The issue with the federal funds is that about $5 million of that 13 million we think can be offset by the federal funds, and the challenge with that is that there is a possibility that we don't have another similar project and we would then -- if we are unable to find appropriate uses for that federal money, that that federal money could go back to the government. We wouldn't be tapping into the resources that are totally available to us. I think that's a little bit of the risk that we are talking about. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Thank you. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So are there any other questions on the amendment? Mr. Gonzales? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: One question, now that you're mentioning the federal monies, is there a time limit to use that money? >> DR. DAVID BEA: Yeah. Generally they are giving, for most of the HEERF funds, it's one year from the time of when you're granted the money or when you have received the money. I think there is a good chance that there will be a little bit of an extension to it, but we are talking about 12 months from, we have just received the third allotment this week, we're talking about 12 months from now, and maybe a little bit more than that, but we are talking, we will need to use the money fairly quickly. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Gonzales, any follow-up questions? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I'm willing to accept this budget, but I want to make darn sure, and so I need your word, Chancellor, that if any money is to be spent on Trane, even though you're allowed 250,000, that you bring it forward to the board. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: The Trane project -- >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Any of the Trane items. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Chancellor Lambert -- first of all, Mr. Gonzales was about to say something. Before Chancellor Lambert finishes that statement, I do want to get your last question out, because it looks like we're wrapping the conversation up and are going to vote. Mr. Gonzales? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: The question I have for Mr. Bea up there is that the date that it came in, I know -- I know there is three pockets of federal monies or CARES, I mean, the COVID monies, correct? Which pocket is this from? >> DR. DAVID BEA: This is likely to come out of the HEERF III, so the funds that just came in this week. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: For the CARES? >> DR. DAVID BEA: No, the CARES is what came in back a little more than a year ago, and then CRRSAA is what came in a few months ago, and then ARPA, which is the HEERF III, came in just this last week. We are still identifying and have spending out the CRRSAA money. The CARES money has been spent. We are spending out and planning out the use of the CRRSAA funds. And then now we are starting to plan out how to use the ARPA funds as well. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Is there a potential of getting another fourth allocation from the federal government in reference to the pandemic? >> DR. DAVID BEA: I think that that's extremely unlikely, given, and others certainly can weigh in with as valid of an opinion, but from what I'm seeing from the federal government, it's unlikely that there will be funds coming in in a stimulus fashion, that the one thing that could come in within the next year might be infrastructure money, but I think by the time they get that passed, I think the fact there would be community college infrastructure money might be -- it's certainly diminishing, given that they have already cut a large amount out of what the original plans were. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Thank you. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So now, Chancellor Lambert, could you just give us your assurance that any funding related to Trane would come to this board for approval? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So the approval of the Trane agreement will be brought to this board to be approved or not approved. So we will not be expending dollars until that approval happens. Now, I say that, and then I will put this caveat to that. The board already approved the DHP system. That's the Dry Hydrogen Peroxide, so money will be expended for that purpose. If there is little, 1,000, 2,000 there, I may not even be aware of that. That's why I'm cautious, because if let's say we had to do something with Trane that cost the college a few thousand dollars, I probably would never see that. I want you to know that. I'm committed to making sure that we don't expend college resources on the Trane project until it comes before this board for its approval. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: And if other expenses were to be made for Trane, I would appreciate it if it would be brought to the board, at least inform us. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: If I'm aware of it. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: If you're aware of it. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Because remember, certain dollar amounts -- >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: You don't see. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: -- I don't see. But if it's brought to my attention, certainly -- now, are you saying even as it relates to the DHP piece? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Yeah, even the DHP. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: We can put them in as information items. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I mean, it's been approved but I'd like to know. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: It will always lag because of the way the board meetings are structured. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Ripley has a question, but before we do, do we want to vote on the motion or do you want to withdraw the amendment, or do we want to vote -- you could just withdraw it and we would vote on the underlying -- >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I'll withdraw it. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. So the amendment to the underlying motion has been withdrawn. Ms. Ripley? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: And just also for transparency and clarity, there has not been a contract yet, and we are also going to at some point meet to review the internal review and also an external review on the energy audit that was conducted by Trane, and at that point I'm hoping more questions will be answered. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Let me back up. We have an umbrella contract with Trane. The board has already approved the umbrella contract. Now what we are working through is specific terms and conditions related to standards in which to measure this savings in which they have presented to the board. If they can satisfy those standards, then we need to demonstrate a business reason why we would not go through with that part of the agreement, okay? So as part of that, what you're describing is that's all being integrated into working on the standards. So we have brought in I believe it was GLHN to help us with that process. So that's our independent third-party group that's helping us. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: But, Chancellor, one other thing, I'm sorry, is that you have not presented to us the actual audit report by our internal facilities department. It's already been done. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: You have a copy of it? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I do. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Then you have been given it. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Not by you. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: But you have a copy of it. Anyway... >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So I'm concerned we are now moving beyond the budget discussion. The underlying, just to recap, we have a motion on the table. Is there any other discussion about the underlying budget at this point? Ms. Ripley? No? Okay. Hearing no more discussion, we are going to have a roll call vote. Mr. Silvyn? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Gonzales? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Yes. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I abstain. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Ripley? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Yes. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Clinco? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Yes. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Dr. Hay? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Yes. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: The motion passes 4-0 with Ms. Garcia abstaining. Now, we are going to take a very short recess. We need to sign some documents related to the budget, and then we will reconvene our regular meeting. If you could just -- we will pause until the sound of the gavel. (Meeting recess.) >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I'd like to call to order the regular meeting. The first order of business on our regular meeting is our public comment and call to the audience. The Pima Community College Governing Board welcomes public comment on issues within the jurisdiction of the college. Generally the total time for public comment will be limited to 45 minutes, and comments will be limited to 3 minutes per individual. These time limits may be modified by the board or board chair. Individuals sharing comments are expected to communicate with decorum and respect. Individuals who engage in disorderly conduct or use divisive or insulting language may have their time reduced or concluded by the board chair. At the conclusion of public comment, individual board members may respond to criticism made by those who addressed the board, may ask staff to review a matter, or ask that a matter be put on a future agenda. Members of the board, however, may not discuss or take legal action on matters raised during the public comment unless matters are properly noticed for discussion and legal action. Finally, be advised that internal college processes are available to students and employees for communication. So we do have a number of public comments this evening. The first will be Guadalupe Caballero, who I believe will be introducing a number of other speakers. We can't hear you, actually. >> Hi, good evening, Board members. Tonight we are going to introduce the new Student Senate group. We wanted them to introduce themselves. Is that possible? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: That would be great. Thank you. >> Thank you. I have a list. Just a minute. We're going to start with Collin Bryant. Collin? >> I'm Collin Bryant. I'm going into my second year here at Pima, and I am the Desert Vista representative for the Student Senate. I'm also the Governing Board representative for the Student Senate. So you will be seeing lots of me, and I'll be seeing lots of you. I'm excited to work with you guys. I'm also studying chemistry. That's my major. >> Thank you, Collin. Now we have Miguel Barrera. >> Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Miguel Barrera. I'm in the pre-engineering program of study here at Pima. I'm also a member of the Student Advisory Board, the All College Council, and Student Senate representative for Downtown Campus. I'm also a member of PTK and its liaison for Downtown Campus. Thank you. >> Gracias, Miguel. We have Jakelynn Wert. >> Hi there. I'm Jakelynn Wert. I'm majoring in sociology. I'll be next year's All College Council representative as well as representing West Campus. Thank you for having us. >> Gracias, Jakelynn. Next we have Sage Hawkins. >> Hello. I'm Sage Hawkins. My pronouns are they, them, theirs. I'm the Student Senate representative for East Campus as well as the senate chair. I am also on the Student Advisory Board as well as the secretary for the Pima Pride Alliance, and I'm a sociology major. Thanks for having us today. >> Thank you, Sage. Next we have Allysa Saunders. >> Hi, everyone. My name is Allysa Saunders. I go by she/her. My program of study is nursing. My position in Student Senate is co-chair, and I represent the Northwest Campus. >> Thank you, Allysa. Next we have Max Luevanos. >> Good evening. My name is Maximus Luevanos, and my major is in neuroscience and cognitive science. I'm a premed student with aspirations to become a psychiatrist. I'm the Student Senate secretary, and I will be a representative of Downtown Campus. Thank you very much. Nice meeting you all. >> Thank you, Max. Next we have Andrea Salazar Calderon. >> Good evening, Chairperson Clinco, members of the board, Chancellor Lambert, and all present here. My name is Andrea Salazar, and this semester I'll be finishing my first year at Pima. I'm working towards an Associate's in business administration and an Honors certificate. This coming year, I will be serving as the vice president for Phi Theta Kappa chapter, as (indiscernible) of the Honors Club, president of the Pima Cares Club, and co-secretary in PimaOnline student senator. Thank you. >> Gracias. Next is Nimrada Pitel. >> I'm Nimrada Pitel. I'm in the hospitality leadership program here at Pima. I'm the treasurer for the Student Senate and also part of the Student Advisory Board. I represent the online campus. Thank you for having us. >> Thank you, Nimrada. Next we have Carla Wilson. >> Hi, my name is Carla Wilson. I am a postgraduate paralegal certificate student at Pima College. I am the parliamentarian of the Student Senate. Happy to be here. Thanks for having me. >> Thank you, Carla. Next we have Rachel Gravina. >> Hello. My name is Rachel Gravina. I am currently majoring in prehealth, and I plan on transferring to the U of A to major in public health. I am the social media liaison for the Student Senate, and I am also the West Campus representative. I'm also the West Campus liaison for Phi Theta Kappa, and I'm an Honors executive officer for this year. I will see you guys around. Thank you. >> Gracias, Rachel. I also want to thank Michael Lopez, Bella Velasquez, Jennifer Wellburn, Dr. Suzanne Desjardin, Valerie Videl King that helped make this possible for the student senators. Thank you for having us tonight. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much. Looks like we have B Velasquez who would also like to comment on this topic. Maybe not. Okay. Well, on behalf of the board, we really want to congratulate all of the students taking this leadership position. The Student Senate really is an important feature and facet of the institution, and the student senators in the past have brought forward very meaningful ideas and information to the board to help us and inform our decision-making, including more open resource written materials. These types of initiatives have really been advanced by the senate, and we really thank you for your participation and leadership. It means a lot to the institution. Thank you for being here this evening, and we hope to hear back from you throughout the year on how things are going. Thank you very much. Next we have Ken Scoville. Mr. Scoville, you have three minutes. >> Hello. My name is Ken Scoville, local historian and retired teacher and I have been involved in community issues in Tucson since 1985. Before I get any farther, I want to applaud the college about the new automotive tech and innovation center, which focuses on the importance of the automobile in the 21st Century. Being an historian, I think it's just wonderful that this new center is along the historic gateway for the automobile in the early part of the 20th Century. I'm here to speak in support of the historic motels on Drachman. For several years, I was on the Oracle area revitalization task force for the City of Tucson. During this time, I was directly involved with the adaptive reuse of the historic Ghost Ranch Lodge, and this wonderful lodge was adapted in a very positive way, and this led to national recognition for the developer and the City of Tucson, and I attended city council meeting for that recognition. The adaptive reuse of these historic motels will bring national recognition to Pima Community College and the Downtown Campus. As I travel all across the United States and look at adaptive reuses of historic buildings, they are such a wonderful supportive use of our traditions and history. Again, I want to add my support and anything I can do as a volunteer to see this adaptive reuse so the students and the community could enjoy those resources in the 21st Century. Thank you very much. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Scoville. Next we have Rebecca Ruopp. Ms. Ruopp, you have three minutes. >> Good evening. My name is Rebecca Ruopp. I reside at 5701 East Glenn Street. I wanted to voice support also for tonight's agenda item 11.2, Downtown Campus hotel/motel development. I do this because years of my career as a planner with the City of Tucson have been focused on the revitalization of the Oracle Miracle Mile area which includes the Pima Community College Downtown Campus and the hotel/motel properties addressed in the agenda item. Pima Community College has been a collaborative partner throughout this planning work, along with the surrounding neighborhoods, businesses, and other organizations. Through extensive hands-on engagement with stakeholders in the broader public, several themes have been continually repeated. First, the importance of the area's history, something that I heard through so many stories about staying in a motor court hotel, dancing, eating, bowling, getting married, going to school. In fact, the significance of this history was confirmed in the listing of the Miracle Mile Historic District on the National Register of Historic Places in 2017. It also was the impetus for relocating the historic neon signs that Pima Community College so kindly gave a home for on Drachman Street. Second, the importance of creating places that enhance the area. Drachman Street has been identified and rendered multiple times as a street that has the potential to be a lively destination with an outward identity that would complement the Downtown Campus's more inward identity. This is a street that can be memorable, not unlike the iconic neon saguaro on Oracle Road, which is an image that now appears on everything from coffee cups to key chains to lamps. Third, the importance of providing opportunities and services that will benefit and help improve the lives of those who live in the area along with others. The diner being considered, for instance, would provide a place for students to try out their culinary skills while providing neighbors a place to eat at, I'm guessing, a reasonable cost. So in summary, repurposing these historic properties is about honoring the area's history, contributing to the area's future, and serving both the college and its neighbors. I have worked on well-known projects in major cities in this country, and I truly believe that if we all pull in the same direction, this area will become a much-talked-about testament to Tucson's dedication to sustaining its unique and special character. Thank you. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Ms. Ruopp. That concludes our public comment and call to the audience. Next we have our remarks by the Governing Board. We have 25 minutes set aside for this. Mr. Gonzales? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: I just want to say hello to everybody who is watching right now. I hope everything is going well. As I mentioned before, we do have big challenging times, but I think we are seeing the light. I think that light is coming very shortly, as well, too. I do want to acknowledge our students that graduated a couple weeks ago or a week ago, not only the community college students but also the high school students that hopefully will also be transitioning out here as well, too. I think those are the people, the youngsters, the students that will help us follow what we want to do here at Pima Community College. With that, I do want to end with having a statement, a statement that as has been heard before, and it's alongside just following up on what Ms. Garcia mentioned. This is my statement for June 9th meeting. Tonight I would like to address the Governing Board. The subject I want to address this evening is the Trane contract. These are the facts concerning the Trane contract based on 500-plus e-mails received pursuant to a public record request. On June 4, 2019, 7:18 a.m., a Trane employee e-mailed Greg Wilson and included many disparaging remarks about Vice Chancellor Bill Ward. Two hours later, Mr. Ward was removed from the Trane RFP development process in an e-mail from Mr. Lambert at the instigation of the Trane employee. On the e-mail to Mr. Ward, Mr. Lambert appointed Mr. Bea and Mr. Dor� to take the lead on the Trane project. During that 2019, during the time of the RFP was being developed, the Trane employee exchanged approximately 190 e-mails with PCC employees including Mr. Lambert. Between July 1, August 1, 2019, the Trane employee and Mr. Bea exchanged 26 e-mails while Mr. Bea was supervising and writing the RFP. On Thursday, July 19, 2019, the Trane employee e-mailed Greg Wilson and stated, quote, I had 90-minute visit with Dr. Bea. Before the RFP was published, the Trane employee exchanged approximately 90 e-mails with Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson was a team leader of the Trane RFP evaluation team. Board members, Ms. Garcia and myself, Mr. Gonzales, told the board that they knew from firsthand source that their Trane employee had stated he had written the energy management RFP. We have independently confirmed their statement. On May 3, 2021, a PCC employee e-mailed a PCC contractor, do you have anything more about the RFP generation than what I learned independently of you that Trane wrote it. I was told by this Bryce May, a Trane employee, and I believe you have heard this from other employees at Trane. It sounds like someone here at PCC is saying they pulled it from off the shelf resource. This doesn't make sense as the RFP was so specific and so well aligned with what Trane has been trying to sell before the RFP went out. Do you have anything to add to this? I have personal knowledge that three board members met with senior executive who is currently facing disciplinary action at the request. I know that these board members met with individual as a whistleblower. This individual is entitled whistleblower status. The (indiscernible) investigation conducted by long-time contracted attorney to the Trane RFP were not unbiased and impartial. Therefore, were ineffective as they failed to uncover the most evidence. There is more than enough evidence for this board to launch an independent investigation how the Trane RFP was developed and if any Trane employee was involved in its creation. Ms. Garcia and I now ask for an immediate independent investigation into the Trane RFP process. The board must operate in a democratic fashion. If the board majority is not interested in the facts and evidence that are in the public record, they should be confirmed by vote in the public session. This issue has the potential of exposing the college to legal action and that may each board member and Mr. Lambert in their personal capacities. Let me remind you, the board, that in 2013 HLC placed the college on probation for contracting practices and for failing to oversee the chancellor's action. Also, the board should recall that in Katz vs PCC, the Court ruled that Mr. Lambert denied an employee due process. It appears that he is on the same path now. I do not and will not support the firing of Bill Ward. I want to submit this as my statement, because it's nothing new. We have been discussing it and talking about it, and I think it's about time that we need to get to the bottom of this. I do have some of the e-mails right here in reference to the statements that I read. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Gonzales. Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Well, I'm going to follow the same path, I'm sorry, as Mr. Gonzales, so I have a statement to read, as well. I'm going to state that I received a copy of a letter from Bill Ward to the chancellor dated May 20, 2021. I also received a copy, a document of the titled facilities review Trane investment grade audit, and some six documents attached as appendices to the Trane report. In summary, due to the number and variety of issues, oversights, and omissions, concerns identified during our review and outlined in this document, PCC facilities recommends pay 200,000 for the (indiscernible) performed by Trane and close the purchase order. Do not accept the recommendations proposed by Trane. Academic energy living lab component stands on its own and to continue under the Downtown Campus building renovation projects as planned. Consider utilizing one of the five energy service companies (indiscernible) cooperative contracts available to utilize via the State of Arizona cooperative contract for energy management systems services. Consider creating a new RFP under the direction of PCC facilities with the guidelines of unbiased engineering firm utilizing the experience and recommendations of the PCC energy resource manager and independent subject matter experts. Engage in an independent third-party nonequipment manufacturing engineering firm to conduct an updated impartial comprehensive facilities condition audit and make unbiased recommendations for PCC facilities has already requested funding for the independent facilities condition audit for the inclusion of the '22 capital budget. If the college decides to approve and move forward with a full set of contract recommendations found in the audit, PCC strongly requests to be included in the review and determination of the final contract language. Prior to the exclusion of any signed agreement or purchase order, in order to utilize subject matter experts to protect the best interests of the college. The individuals who are here to speak about the various projects are not construction of energy experts. If Mr. Ward files legal action against the college, the board would be named in their individual capacity. (Indiscernible) called upon testifying any legal action brought by Mr. Ward, I will truly testify that I have evidence of prior to Mr. Lambert's action against Bill Ward three board members requested to meet with him. When I asked to meet with Bill Ward I met with him as a whistleblower. As a board member, I believe that Mr. Lambert has denied Bill Ward his due process rights. Mr. Gonzales and I have provided the board in public sessions sufficient information about potential violations of procurement policy in regards to the Trane RFP. If Mr. Ward is terminated, this board will share responsibility. The chair is citing a policy granting Mr. Lambert absolute power will not be defensible argument as to the board's complicity in Bill Ward's firing. That's all. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Ms. Garcia. Ms. Ripley? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Thank you. Thank you also for your statements, Mr. Gonzales and Ms. Garcia. I feel that this will require a lot more discussion and a lot more transparency and clarity, especially regarding the RFP issue and the responses to all of the e-mails that you were referring to, Mr. Gonzales. So I would personally like to have another session to talk about this and to figure out, because I see two things: The RFP being an issue itself -- >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Ripley, just a point of order. I don't want us to move into a discussion about items that aren't on the agenda, so I think putting it on as a future item for a study session probably would be the right way. This time really is set aside for issues facing the college, updates on schedules and things that people are participating in with college activities. I hate to cut you off, but I just want to keep us really within the bounds of what's on the agenda this evening. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Okay, great. Thanks. I just didn't want to diminish such a serious topic and go into my prepared remarks that aren't really prepared, but basically I wanted to congratulate all the graduates, in particular all of the athletes as well who the men's, Aztec soccer team who just completed a very successful season in dire circumstances. And also, I had the pleasure and honor of speaking at the Air Force paramedic graduation last week, which was one of the more joyful things that we do as Governing Board members, and especially as a retired naval officer, it was a huge honor and pleasure to see so many bright young faces that Pima Community College had a small part in training. Thank you. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much. Dr. Hay? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: I have no comments right now. Thank you. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much. I again also want to congratulate the graduates. You know, at the end of the year it's always the coming together that really makes participating on this board so worthwhile, as we watch all of the incredible hard work be rewarded with certificates and degrees that cross the stage. It's really been an absence to not be able to participate in that meaningful engagement. I want to first and foremost congratulate all of the graduates, but really, I want to thank the staff and the faculty and the administrators and volunteers and everyone, particularly our IT department who have made this year possible and have committed and focused on student success. We know it has been just such a challenging year because of COVID and the changes and the continued modifications. But seeing those graduates move from students into the workforce and heading on their educational goals is just absolutely inspiring, and every single person in this room and within the jurisdiction of this college do so much work to make that possible. I just really want to acknowledge them. And I want to acknowledge Chancellor Lambert for your leadership, and PCCTV for producing such a great virtual graduation. It really, it was inspiring. I just want to acknowledge that. I also just want to thank the citizen diplomats who work with Pima College. Some of the board members were invited to a meeting with the US ambassador to Brazil, which was a fascinating conversation that touched on some of the work that Pima College does that I wasn't very familiar with in terms of the citizen ambassador program. It was very great to hear about that. Thank you for sharing your comments, and we'll take the materials and we'll get that study session, or we'll be discussing it certainly when the Trane topic comes up again. So with that, that will conclude the Governing Board member remarks. Next we have our administrative report. The first is the Strategic Enrollment Management Plan discussion with Dr. Irene Robles, vice president of student affairs. Chancellor Lambert, I'd like to hand it over to you, and you can introduce Ms. Robles. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So we're very pleased to present to you a discussion we'd like to engage in around strategic enrollment management. So I have Dr. Irene Robles-Lopez and her team, David Arellano, to really lay out kind of the broad framework and then engage in some questions and discussions with the board about the way forward. With that, Irene, I'll turn it over to you. >> DR. IRENE ROBLES-LOPEZ: Thank you, Chancellor Lambert. Good evening, Chairperson Clinco, members of the board, Chancellor Lambert, colleagues and guests. This evening we will be sharing some data and information on enrollment and the comprehensive process on developing the college's Strategic Enrollment Management Plan. We wanted to be proactive in gathering your input and your insights as to what you felt was important. My colleague, the dean of enrollment management, David Arellano, will now be sharing this information with us, which will then lead us to the discussion. David, if you would like to bring that up. >> DAVID ARELLANO: Thank you, Dr. Robles-Lopez. Good evening, Chairperson Clinco, members of the board, Chancellor Lambert, colleagues and guests. As Dr. Robles-Lopez mentioned, I'm going to give you an update on the Strategic Enrollment Management Plan, go into a little bit of the context behind that plan, and talk a little bit about the data that supports it. Keep in mind we will be highlighting information, and like Dr. Robles-Lopez mentioned, there will be an opportunity for questions and discussion a little bit later in this session. So to kind of get us going and get us up to speed, what is the SEMP? The Strategic Enrollment Management Plan is really an integrated and institutional-wide plan that helps us identify, helps us recruit students, enroll, retain, and graduate our students as they enter and exit the institution. It also aligns with all of our college plans, and it really relates to our purpose, our vision, mission, and the behaviors of the college. The SEMP is going to be something that is goal-oriented, it's actionable, and it's going to be measurable. That's the bigger picture of what the Strategic Enrollment Management Plan is. Next I kind of want to highlight a few of the components of the SEMP, and that begins with kind of getting an institutional assessment, understanding what our climate is, looking at strategy development, the creation of goals for the institution, for units, and then the implementation piece and then the continuous monitoring of those strategies and initiatives that the SEMP creates. In particular, I really want to share this slide or this infographic from EAB, Educational Advisory Board, because I think it really highlights the key components of the institutional assessment. I'm going to hone in specifically on competition. You have heard me talk about this in previous board sessions about our competitors. We do have two of the largest online institutions in our backyard with ASU and Southern New Hampshire. We have the U of A which have introduced a variety of initiatives such as the U of A Pell pledge program that really looks at leveling the playing field in terms of cost and that value proposition. But also, you'll see that there is a lot of demographic information that's going to feed into the SEMP or be looked at as we go through and analyze. The chancellor has talked about birth dearth data fertility rates. Those are extremely important in mapping out where we are going in the next five years, but also the next 30, 40, 50 years and so on. There is labor market data. There is data related it our K12 pipeline. There is going to be data related to population shifts, things like that, all broken down by several perspectives and lenses such as age, race, ethnicity, things like that. This just gives you a sample of that institutional assessment. Next we are looking at SEMP participants, and so this just gives you an illustration of who is involved in the SEMP process at the institution. There is many units, probably many units I could have added to this particular slide, but this gives you an idea of who gives feedback collaboration and input into the SEMP, and then some of these units listed here are ultimately initiative owners of the SEMP. Finally, I want to highlight our SEMP roadmap, and so when we look at year 1, this is what are we doing as an institution and strategizing for the immediate impact for fall '21. How do we start that recovery? How do we use this SEMP plan as a catalyst to gain that enrollment, to regain our footprint in the community, and really support the community in their efforts and career goals? Years 2 through 5, that really looks to alignment with the college strategic plan, which Nic Richmond has briefed you all on. It's going to be a key piece into the Achieve60AZ, especially with those goals embedded within that statewide initiative and our college strategic plan. And then the SEMP plan is always for any institution key to their financial sustainability related to enrollments, related to FTSE, related to expenditure limitation. So this just kind of gives you an overall roadmap of that SEMP process. Next I'm going to switch gears and kind of relay some of the context related to the SEMP, and you have seen me discuss National Student Clearinghouse data, but this is a really clear picture of the national level and the state level. In here, what we are looking at and what I really want to highlight is we are seeing enrollment decreases in our spring '21 data in the community college sector in particular. We are seeing decreases of 11%. That's essentially 10 times our prepandemic level declines. Then specifically looking at the State of Arizona, enrollment at community colleges in our state has decreased by 16%. So there is some larger macro factors that play at the national and state level. Honing it in a little bit more and looking at some of our longitudinal data, this is really about looking backwards so we can look forward. In that, you can see our enrollment declines not only as an institution but across higher ed began around 2010/2011. So we are dealing with a decade worth of enrollment declines and a lot of other forces going on in higher education. So that kind of gives you some perspective there. Going a bit deeper into our data, looking at our fall enrollment for the last five years, what you're seeing on this particular table is that right now we are about 80 days out from the start of the fall '21 semester, but our enrollment is actually up compared to fall '20, which was our main pandemic year, but also fall of '18 and fall of '17. But it is still lower than fall of '19. So you're seeing a lot of fluctuation in those numbers. As things reopen up and as vaccinations increase, it's all in flux right now, but a lot of progress and momentum in the enrollment for the institution. This particular chart that I'm sharing complements that previous table. It's a more visual look at some of those trends or registration trends. In particular, we are, for fall '21, we are the orange line and it's kind of mixed in with some other trend lines, and then to the right you'll see a green line, and that's going to be our fall 2020 pandemic year. What you're seeing with the orange line is the trend in the right direction. It's trending towards prepandemic levels of enrollment for our fall term. That is great news for the institution. Every day our student affairs teams and teams across the college are working hard towards enrollment, and we are seeing that in those trends. A lot of positives for the college with this particular piece here. Finally, we talk about enrollment, we talk about access, we talk about the front door for community colleges, but retention is a huge piece. Retention and persistence is what's going to get us that repeat enrollment. It's going to get us to those completions and those graduate numbers that we do need to achieve those larger college strategic plan goals and actually make a dent or actually an impact in the larger Achieve60AZ initiatives. So we will be looking at the institutional retention data and student success data. All of that will really feed into the Strategic Enrollment Management Plan. With that, I'm going to turn it back over to Dr. Irene Robles-Lopez who is going to kick-start our discussion and take it from here. >> DR. IRENE ROBLES-LOPEZ: Thank you so much, David, for all of that data and information. For the board members, we want to absolutely make sure we are getting your input and your feedback. The other update I wanted to share is that the framework for the Strategic Enrollment Management Plan, it will be evidence-based decision-making. We want to utilize the data, both qualitative and quantitative in looking at our students, their lived experiences outside of the college, what their experience is within the college, to make sure that we are covering all those important aspects when we are looking at student experience and student success. So I did want to share that update. The first question that I just wanted to ask, does anybody have any questions about any of the data or information that was just shared prior to going into these questions? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Garcia? Then Ms. Ripley. Then Mr. Gonzales? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Dr. Robles, one of the things that I look at is we look at the national data, we look at the state data, but there are other colleges that are doing much better in their recruitment. Specifically, those like in El Paso. My suggestions would be that maybe we should measure ourselves or at least look into those other places that are doing better and that also have the same type of demographics that we do, you know, population-wise. Thank you. >> DR. IRENE ROBLES-LOPEZ: Thank you, Ms. Garcia. That's a very good point. We will be doing benchmarking as well as we look at this, so we will absolutely look at that. Thank you. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Ripley? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Thank you. Thank you for that and thank you for all the work that you do. This is one of our most important things that we do with this board especially is our interest in recruitment, retention, and enrollment. Thank you for that. And I do look forward to, and you mentioned benchmarks, I do look forward to follow-on meetings with you to talk about metrics and specifically the how and the what as far as the immediate enrollment for this fall and what you intend to do. Not at this forum, but I do look forward to speaking with you about that. Thank you. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Gonzales? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Thank you for the presentation. I think it was very good. I'm excited in reference to what's going to be happening. I would like to see or share, or you can share with the board later on in reference to the K12 data, pipeline data, because I think that's one of the areas that we need to really focus, as I mentioned before, especially with middle school and high school, where not only the data but one of the things I have asked many, many times is not only with PCC but also with other institutions is the tracking, tracking of the high schoolers, tracking of freshmens at the high school, tracking of the seniors. I'm very interested in reference to the pipeline data that you're going to be providing to us later on. I do like the comment that was made by Mr. Arellano in reference to looking backwards so we can look forward. I think we always have to look at what's been done in the past and look at the best practices, as well, too. I know that's, as you mentioned, there has been a decline the last decade, but I think it's about time that we need to turn that around, as well, too. With staff like you, faculty, and with the lead of Ms. Robles, I think we can -- it's doable and can be done, but more important, as I mentioned before, one of the areas that I will continue to say is that we need to not only invite the students but also the parents, but more important the community in reference to what can we all do as a community? Thank you. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Dr. Robles, one more question. Is there any plans to actually have people do recruitment as far as, you know, being at the schools? I know that Mr. Arellano goes out there with the dual enrollment and he's done a great job, you know, considering he's really increased the numbers. I want to thank him for his efforts. He's done a great job. And he continues to strive to do more. But, you know, in my view, and I guess for most of us, of the minorities, anyway, we always think in terms that the people will not progress unless they get educated, and we need to reach out to them more and we need to help them. One of the things that I have heard is that our completion rates at Pima, and I could be wrong, is 1 out of 10. I guess you could clarify that for me. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Chancellor Lambert, do you want to address the completion rate question? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So every year we publish student right-to-know data, and you can go to our Pima website and pull up the student right to know. It shows you what our success rates are for students and which includes completion and transfer, I believe. So we're better than, I would say, 1 in 10 when you look at both of those together, because what happens is the number of our students transfer out before they complete with us. Because we have a program called AGEC, Arizona General Education, and so some students just come and get that and then they transfer. That may not show up as a completer. So I caution us in terms of how we look at that data and that way. I believe we are probably right in there with some of the other Arizona colleges. Now, Arizona as a whole, we don't do as well as some of these other states. But also, I will say part of that is resource investment. Some of these other states make better commitment to community colleges by providing the resources in which to provide the programming and the support, et cetera. So all of that comes into play. But with that said, we are looking to sharpen what we are doing. You know, under the leadership of our provost, Dr. Duran-Cerda, we are always trying to get better at what we can do. So you're going to see a greater attention to the data, greater attention especially on the retention side, we have to do better there. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Ripley? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Thank you for your presentation. One thing I wanted to mention is the board had a retreat a few weeks ago, and one of the things which we brain-stormed, which I think would be a great idea to get together with you all in SEMP, to talk about the concept of community outreach, big bang for the buck. You talk about resources, Chancellor, it would be big bang for the buck to do what we termed as either round tables or town halls in our districts as well as one specifically geared towards all of the high school counselors. And I have talked to a few counselors who would love that, to all meet with us on your team, the board, whomever would be interested to actually get from them, from the grassroots people, what they feel would be needed to improve both recruitment, enrollment, as well as retention. Thanks. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Robles, first I want to acknowledge the incredible work your team is doing to collect this data and really create a strategic initiative around this. You know, I think for me, when you talk about the data trends, it would be really helpful, and I know this information isn't readily available or else you be would presenting it this evening, but what actually is happening in the workforce because of the pandemic? Every day I look at the newspaper and I see articles about businesses struggling to find employees. I read articles about people making huge shifts in their career. There is going to be a tremendous -- there is recurring tremendous change in incumbent workforce. People have made shifts to different types of businesses. They are now working remotely. All of these things are going to impact our enrollment, but I also think that they offer a remarkable opportunity. A lot of people, I mean, we know -- we received an e-mail from leaders in the hospitality and culinary field saying how difficult it is for them to get employees. They are struggling to get their restaurants open full hours, and they have one restaurant closed in our community because they don't have employees from that field. So really understanding what is the economic and business climate and then how can we pivot quickly to meet recurring demands. I think that's going to be a real opportunity bubble for us, and getting that data would be really helpful. To Ms. Garcia's point, I think this idea of enrollment centers, I would love to see us really explore models for mobile enrollment centers where we can actually go to schools with the, you know, the center, and get people enrolled. Every single barrier. We know everything is a barrier. So what can we do to just continue to eliminate those barriers? Maybe it's not mobile centers. That might not work in our community. It might actually be building a center. I don't know. But I think really figuring out what are those continued barriers. Finally, I would just ask in 2019 we spent a lot of money on those one-time, on/off, referred to it as the faucet of initiatives where we were pumping money into one-time actionable results. We know not only did we lose all those students because of the pandemic, but we still have an opportunity to go and find them, the people who never enrolled, never engaged with the college, and get them enrolled. They really otherwise that cohort is a lost generation academically, that they are missing the opportunity. So how can we see that as a potential to really grow because of that sort of that delta of students who didn't enroll. Those are things I would love to see moving forward. I'm just putting it out there. Okay. Dr. Hay, any comments from you? Dr. Hay? Okay. I don't hear any. I still see her on the call so she's with us. Okay. >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Sorry, no comments. I had to find my button. No comment. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. Ms. Robles, I guess you have a second question on the board. Is there any other comments from the members of the board to that, as well? Okay. I don't hear any. Thank you very much. We really appreciate all the work, and we look forward to hearing, you know, how we're going to actualize and put these into more aggressive strategies. >> DR. IRENE ROBLES-LOPEZ: Thank you all so much. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Next we have our reports by representatives to the board. First is the staff report by Michael Lopez. Mr. Lopez, you have five minutes. Mr. Lopez? Okay. We will move on to the administrative report by Jeff Thies. Jeff, you have five minutes. >> JEFF THIES: Thank you. Good evening, Chairperson Clinco, board members, Chancellor Lambert, students, colleagues and guests. Hope you're having a great Wednesday evening. In the administrative representative report, I'm going to talk a little bit about our humanities, social sciences, and education division, shed a little bit of light on a few other projects administrators are currently either actively completing or in the process of completing, and then share a little bit of data at the end. Humanities, social sciences, and education. Anthropology faculty Dr. Dianna Repp was honored this spring as the year's recipient of the educational leadership in diversity and inclusion award. Dr. Repp's nomination emphasized her work with the Native American Student Association and the Arizona Undergraduate Research Symposium. Congratulations, Dr. Repp. Last week's Arizona Women in Higher Education conference, Dr. Celeste Atkins was recognized by the organization with the Emerging Leaders Award. She is a PCC adjunct faculty in sociology and also serves as a faculty fellow for a Title III and TLC joint project that provides professional development opportunities for faculty in Applied Technology. Political science student Nick Tran has been reaccepted in the 38th cohort of the Congress-Bundestag Youth Exchange for youth professionals. The program provides young professionals ages 18 to 24 the opportunity to attend two months of German language training, four months attending school, and five months gaining practical work experience in Germany. Congratulations, Nick. Highlighting the postdegree teacher certification program, as we are all aware, there is a continuing shortage of teachers in the State of Arizona. So it's critical that we have a program such as our postdegree teacher certification program. The Arizona Department of Education-approved K12 teacher certification program is top ranked in the elementary area, is second ranked in the secondary program, and is most effective in the special education program according to the Arizona Department of Education. The program consistently enrolls approximately 500-plus students. 350-plus are employed as full-time K12 teachers. 10% of the enrollment is outside of our local area. This program is delivered 100% online, although there are face-to-face school site observations during field experience and internships. Our current graduation rate for this program is 58%. It is one of the top producers of K12 teachers in Arizona. On average, about 100 new teachers each year. The program plays a critical role in helping address the massive statewide teacher shortage with 93% of our graduates being employed. There is a significant number of certified teachers take program coursework as professional development, as well. Great job, postdegree teacher cert program. Moving on to a few other projects. The college is working with child/parent centers, Pima County government, United Way of Tucson and Southern Arizona to bring the first of hopefully several new childcare centers back to the campuses. The first center will be at Desert Vista Campus with the goal to open in spring 2022 if not sooner. Also, in 2022, the fall of, we will be offering our first HyFlex-enabled classrooms. These classrooms blend virtual, online, and in-person learning to use new video, audio, and computer technology. By the completion of the first phase of the project, there will be two rooms at each of the main campuses, plus a classroom at each of the adult education and technology centers. Future phases will be based on the demand by students and faculty for the use of this technology. It's a great leap forward in the ability to create interactive learning environments. Lastly, kudos to the registrar's office, financial aid office, David Donderewicz, representatives from veterans and international offices and others. It took a monumental effort to complete the administrative processes required after temporarily adjusting the college's incomplete and withdrawal policies for spring 2020, given the pandemic's effects on that semester. The great effort of this team minimized the negative impact on student success and supported the completion agenda. Lastly, I have shared several spring '21 equitable outcome graphs. They show a longitudal list of success rates earning an A, earning an A or B, earning an A or C, and then there is also a line graph that is superimposed on top of the bar graph. Its axis is on the far right. That's a representation of the enrollment of the different subgroups of the student population. With that, you'll see an equity gap. The equity gaps are all based on a comparison with the White student population and the enrollment drop. One thing to add at the end, a guiding principles document that came out from the Community College Research Center provides some excellent information and a quick read on a summative list of different programs throughout the country that have helped to improve the credential attainment of the ethnicities that are highlighted in the above tables. That concludes my administrative report for June. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Thies. We will go back to Mr. Lopez. Is Michael Lopez on the call? >> MICHAEL LOPEZ: Yes. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: The floor is yours. >> MICHAEL LOPEZ: There was not a written report submitted. However, Staff Council officers met, and the voting for the new Staff Council for '21/'22 will be finished and concluded here shortly. We just need a couple more representatives to be identified in one or two areas. Also, staff officers wanted to thank the board and those responsible for any recognition, financial recognition, to staff members that may be made possible and the 2% increase as well. However, as was stated earlier through the representatives for the faculty that, you know, it's been a while, I think 2014 or so, so the 2% is very much appreciated but still falls short of what I think is deserved. But thank you very much, and that concludes my report. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Lopez. We appreciate it. Next we have our chancellor's report. Chancellor Lambert? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Good evening, everybody. So first of all, I want to say congratulations to the students who just completed this past academic year. Congratulations to the faculty, the staff, and the administrators and the board for all of your support for their success. We could not do it if we weren't working together to ensure that we continue to graduate individuals. Also, we have put in plans for re-entry. We are starting to bring employees back to all of our locations. We are doing it in a gradual way with the hope that by the time we get to August when we open the doors again to the students and community that more and more of us will be physically on-site, but it's not going to be the way it used to be. So we recognize that through the pandemic that there is a group of employees who could work completely virtual. Then we also recognize there is a group of employees that, because of the nature of the work, they need to be on the ground, 40 hours a week, et cetera. But most employees can be somewhere in the middle, and what I mean by that, allowing more flexibility to work from home one or two days a week. So that's kind of the model that you're going to see us going into the new academic year to deploy, and then we will gauge that and see what makes the most sense long term. But I also recognize that we can do more of our work in a way that doesn't always have to mean coming into the office, provided that we continue to deliver the service and the support to our students and that we are meeting their needs to their satisfaction. So I just want you to be aware of that. Also, a group that just doesn't get recognized very often and what folks don't realize, the Executive Leadership Team puts in countless hours. They are not 40-hour-workweek employees. They are putting in 50 hours, 60, sometimes 70 hours a week, and so they don't always get the recognition. I just want to say thank you to all the Executive Leadership Team. It starts with that strategic part of the equation. Without the planning and the thinking ahead, a lot of what, all the successes we have enjoyed till now would not actually come to pass without that strategic level piece. Obviously it's not enough to do that piece, but without that piece, we are just wandering around in the forest. So thank you, ELT. Also, just the other day Dr. David Dor�, Dr. Ricardo Castro Salazar, and Dr. Daisy Pitel Rodriguez and I participated in the visitors program with El Salvador educators, and this is sponsored through the United States State Department, and we had a very engaging conversation with educators from El Salvador, and we will look to see what type of partnerships might grow out of that experience. Just like what you indicated, Demion, in terms of the Brazil piece, these are all interconnected, and we want to thank Pat Watson for her leadership in making sure that our citizen visitors program stays very robust here in this community. I want to congratulate the new student senators. We look forward to working with you as we go through the year. I want to say congratulations to Nina Corson. She will be the new campus VP for East Campus, so congratulations, Nina. And also, thank you, Board Member Ripley and Chair Clinco for participating in Senator Kelly's visit. Just to let you all know, one of the pieces we talked to the senator about was the JOBS Act and making sure that all short-term programs, credit and noncredit, would be eligible for Pell, especially credit side because the way the current law was constructed, it was just going to be clock hour programs of eight weeks or more. Well, unfortunately, it did not make it through the senate. So we're going to continue to push on this issue, and hopefully we can move through the higher education labor and pension committee on the senate side as part of that work. I just want to clarify some things, because I think there is a misunderstanding about the college's commitment to transfer education. We are highly committed to transfer education since I have been here. I will give you some examples. PimaOnline is about transfer education. The Teaching and Learning Center is about transfer education. Dual enrollment is about transfer education. Guided pathways is about transfer education. By the way, career technical already is a guided pathway. We didn't have guided pathways on the transfer side. Open educational resources, as the chair and Dr. Hay know, the students came to the college and said we wanted to start a committee to look at expanding open educational resources. A lot of that is centered in the transfer side of the equation to make costs affordable and make access to textbooks critical. We also created a center of excellence for the arts. The intent was not to leave out the arts and the humanities from the center of excellence conversation. I have also said to folks publicly we are open to creating other centers of excellence. So I just had a conversation with Dean Michael Parker, the provost, and others about creating a center of excellence in the social sciences as an example of our commitment to transfer education. We have been building university partnerships. And then people may not realize this, but the college just when I arrived early on we had invested in building that brand new science building at the Northwest Campus. By the way, that is state-of-the-art. In some cases, and no offense to Dr. Hay and the University of Arizona, but some of those labs are better than what they have at the University. Now we are making another investment into the science -- I just want to point out that we are not ignoring transfer. All of these things are part of that commitment. We just can't look at them as apples to apples, because the one thing that hasn't happened at the college prior to my arrival was we were way underinvesting in the workforce side. You have seen some of those programs. I mean, they were jammed into small spaces. Things are just crowded on top of each other. So that's why the big investment. But that was all done as part of a master planning job. The master planning work back in when we launched it in 2014, 2015, also focused on the transfer side. It did not ignore the transfer piece. It just seems that that gets overshadowed because a lot of the conversation, not just internally, but externally in the community, nationally, statewide, has been on workforce. As you pointed out, Mr. Chair, that that's the conversation. Everybody is worried about our ability to maintain our economy by having the skilled workers that are necessary. So a lot of the conversation -- and people look to the community college expressly for that area. With that, that's my report. I hope everyone has a great summer. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Chancellor. At our board retreat we talked about streamlining items so we are not going to read the information items any longer, and the consent agenda is publicly posted. So if I could have a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I move to approve. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Is there a second? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Second. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye? (Ayes.) >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Anyone opposed? Hearing none, the consent agenda passes unanimously. Now we are on to our action items. The first is nomination and election of a new Governing Board vice-chair. The currently serving vice-chair and secretary, Meredith Hay, as indicated that due to other commitments, she is concerned that she is not able to devote sufficient time and duties of her board office, and as a result it would be in the best interest of the college board to elect a replacement. So with that, I would nominate Catherine Ripley as the vice-chair. Is there a second? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Second. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Is there any discussion? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Can we nominate somebody else? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Well, we have a nomination on the table, so we would need to vote up or down that motion, and then if it was voted no, we could elect someone else. Correct, Mr. Silvyn? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Well, he could nominate. That way you know what the choice is, and the other question would be whether Ms. Ripley accepts the nomination. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I accept. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So if we had another nomination, then how to we proceed with the vote? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: If you have another nomination, then you're going to vote on -- >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Each of the nominations? Okay. Mr. Gonzales, is there another nomination? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: My question is going to be I know that the last time we nominated we nominated several people. That's how it was done when you got back on the -- when we voted for you. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Right. So currently Meredith, Dr. Hay, she's stepping down from the role because of other time commitments. It's just the one opening that is available. So it's just the vice-chair role that we are voting on this evening. This is not our normal election. It's just because of the vacancy that's being caused because of her other commitments. So we are only voting on the one seat. It's only for the remainder of the term. It's not for a two-year period. It's just until the general election, which would be in January. It's to fill Meredith Hay's seat for the remainder of the term, until January. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Okay. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay? Okay. So all in favor of the motion? Any more discussion? Okay. All in favor of the motion, signify by saying eye? (Ayes.) >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Anyone opposed? Ms. Garcia, I didn't hear yay or nay. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Abstain. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: You abstain. So the motion passes 4-0 with Ms. Garcia abstaining. The next item is the Downtown Campus hotel/motel development. Mr. Silvyn, could you read the recommendation? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: The chancellor recommends the Governing Board authorize the chancellor or his designee to proceed with the planning, design, and construction of the adaptive repurposing and development of Downtown Campus hotel/motel properties. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Silvyn, I'd like to begin with making a motion to approve the recommendation with the caveat that the back half of the Tucson Inn be evaluated separately and considered in a separate meeting whether or not we are going to make that investment through a study assessment. Is there a second? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Second. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Now we have discussion. Ms. Ripley, you look like you have something to say, as does Ms. Garcia. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I do, yes. So thank you very much, everybody, who was involved in providing us a very thorough study of what we might be able to do with the hotel properties. There were several options that were submitted. There were five options I believe that were specific. I think there is probably, there could be hundreds, but they provided five that were solid options, but I would like to propose that instead of approving one of those or none of them en masse, another option. And that would be to not en masse approve any of those but look at a part of it, a portion of one of those options. I would like to propose the front end of the Tucson Inn to include the historic sign, which I understand we are getting community input and funds for that, and also only one other piece, and the rest of it we can do feasibility studies and decide at another time. I don't think we need to decide all of it now. The second piece I think that we could move to go forward with is the Copper Cactus Inn, and as long as we agree to make it dedicated towards social services, such as enrollment, diversity, equity, and inclusion, and the immigrant center that we had talked about. So a lot of these places are housed elsewhere and really need more room, need more attention, and also, just a bigger space, a nicer space, and a dedicated space dedicated towards social services. So I would propose that in addition to looking at the possibility of part of that, of the back end being parking space, which we do actually need. I know this personally, because I taught at Downtown. So I would just like to -- that's my discussion is to offer another option. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman Clinco? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Hay? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Ms. Ripley, would that include the food pantry? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Yes, that would definitely include a food pantry. I think that's part of social services, as well. And I think there was a lot of items that were talked about that could have been included in a larger iteration of what was offered, but I think anything that includes social services to include a food pantry I think would really be, again, I like the term "big bang for the buck." >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: If I can follow on? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Just for clarification, there are three properties all together, so there are there is the Copper Cactus, the Frontier, and the Tucson Inn. And so again, what we heard as part of the study session was the need for a variety of functions and uses that we have in this college. There is the -- in addition to all of the social services, here is the list, there is also, if we could move to the slide, there is also the Teaching and Learning Center, so, you know, I would really go with this recommendation, this idea which is proposed in the chancellor's recommendation of dealing with all three of those properties, so the two smaller properties and then the front of the Tucson Inn. And then the back of the Tucson Inn, which is the most expensive item, to really conduct a feasibility study to determine whether or not there is a -- we have heard there is a potential use for the United Way to create housing for at-risk students. That may or may not be possible, so actually evaluating that. >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Hay? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: So I would really like to advocate for the Teaching and Learning Center. I think we have a once-in-a-lifetime, with post-COVID, a chance to rethink about how we deliver content, and having a state-of-the-art facility on making sure our faculty and our teachers are using the state-of-the-art pedagogy and the learning center for making sure the students have access to everything they need to be successful, as Dr. Dor� mentioned at the study session, it's all about retention. Teaching and Learning Center is absolutely essential to our vision and our mission and our pledge as a board to ensure retention and success of our students. So I really want to make sure that TLC, Teaching and Learning Center, is included in this, if possible. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: So, yes, I'd add to that, as well. Thank you, Dr. Hay. I may have misspoke. When I mentioned enrollment, enrollment would go along with teaching and learning, so I think a dedicated enrollment center, whether it's called a Teaching and Learning Center, either way I think does deserve a dedicated space. I would just like to add, for the benefit of the audience, I had an extensive session with our finance person to really understand where this funding is coming from, because there is a lot of attention being brought to everything as far as how we spend -- we are nonprofit. So one of the things that I understood was that this money would come from reserves, and if we did a portion of it instead of spending, you know, tens of millions of dollars, we could spend between 10 and $13 million just on this piece so that we could at least have dedicated space to social services and to the teaching and learning/enrollment center, which to me is one of the most important things we should focus on at this point. We have already dedicated a lot of funding to centers of excellence, to the automotive center and aviation center, which I think is great, in the long term it's going to bring in more students, but immediately I think if we are going to look at using space, I think that this would be the best use of the money now, not the entire hotel project. I think we could take it piece by piece, look at it later. And whether that might mean leveling the rest of it, making parking lots, which again, we do need parking lots, I think at that point we can decide at a later point, but for now this is what I would propose. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Chancellor Lambert? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes, if you don't mind, Mr. Chair, so I wanted to put up here this graphic, because I think it really depicts both what you were saying, Mr. Chair, what you were saying, Ms. Ripley, and what Dr. Hay was talking about. So essentially, I just want to clarify, right, we would move on this plan right here, which is essentially option 3 with a modification. The modification would be where you see new PCC project, that's where we would come in and do that feasibility study to determine should we do parking, should we even do hotel rooms there. So that's what we would study. Then that piece will just not be addressed at this point. So when you look at those three properties as noted, the costs would be, for construction, $8.3 million. Total cost of the project was projected at 14,583-some dollars. And our plan is to fund that out of the reserves. So the first stage of this would be to hire an architect who will come in and do the design work and the planning work, and that will happen within, you know, the first year. Then the second year would be the actual construction or renovation, adaptive reusing of that property. We could wrap it all up within two years. While we are doing that, we will do the feasibility study on that other project. What's interesting about that piece, if you go to option 5, they talk specifically where you see the new PCC project piece on the visual, and that's where we could do the welcome center and a parking structure. So those would be things we would also assess. Now, keep in mind, when we add that, say, that piece of the option 5, that's going to add an additional expense to this project that we may need to either go out for a bond or look at some other way to fund that extension, other than if you just leveled it and made it a parking lot. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Right, but again, that would be decided later? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes, that would be later decided. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Because I was speaking to someone earlier, not in this room, about a welcome center, and whether or not it's appropriate to move that from Downtown to this space, I think, that would be another discussion. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Exactly. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: But anyway, my point is I don't think we need to approve this entire project. Indeed I spoke with Dr. Bea about the funding coming out of reserves, which would not in fact take away from -- it was very important to me that it didn't take away from faculty and staff and any other type of stipends that we might be offering later, and also that it would be a win-win for the community, for us, and for everybody involved. Also, one of the stipulations I would have, and I spoke with Dr. Bea about this and I want to re-emphasize it, is that the commitment and obligation to start and break ground and work on the healthcare, Allied Health Center of Excellence, needs to take priority. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Because that's already been approved, so I would like to propose that to the board, that that takes priority actually before we do this. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: In fact, you just approved the architect tonight, so that will start the Allied Health piece. This will lag behind that, because we need to go through a process to identify an architectural firm who will work on it. So it will lag. However, this is a smaller project, so when you start getting into it, it could get done quicker than the Allied Health just because of the size piece. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Just for clarification, so Ms. Ripley, so this option 3 with the modification that the back be removed and assessed separately on the culinary arts program, that is acceptable to you? And it would be capped at $14 million? We would have no -- what is the number, Chancellor Lambert? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So the all-in cost based on what was presented on Monday night was $14,583,865. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: For my idea? For this? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: This would be for all three. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: All three minus -- >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Minus the back -- >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Okay. That would be essentially what I was just saying? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Correct. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Okay. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Garcia? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: But that's not including all the additional costs. That's just basic. Because I believe that in the presentation they said there were certain areas that were not -- the cost was not presented. Is that not right? Like some of the architects, some of the renovation? The equipment, the furnishings, all those things were not included. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Will you pull up option 3? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I believe what they were talking about was buildings that have been just not -- they haven't really assessed them or they are concepts of what buildings could be. So if you look at the -- >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Here we go right here. Those are the other costs that are included in that 14 million. The escalation costs, the architect fees, other development, and then you have the -- >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: The permits? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes, all of that is included. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: If you move to the next slide, this was what we really don't have actual genuine budget numbers. And the next slide, where they are proposing these very large buildings that could be built at a future date. So you can see there is like a -- and they even told us is actually low. They couldn't do for this price because -- >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: In fact, we got an update on option 5, actual cost would be around 26 million for construction. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So that's not what's being -- >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: No, that's why we are not moving forward. If you added in, say, a welcome center, like, and a parking structure, which would be akin to the option 5, on top of the 14 million, all in, based on what you were talking about, Board Member Ripley, that would add an additional, let's see here, $17,700,000 for just those two pieces, the parking structure and the welcome center construction cost. But if you add all in, that's an additional, that will be $29,000,329. You can see how the cost goes up significantly just to add those two pieces in. >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman Clinco? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Hay, Ms. Garcia has been waiting patiently and then we will come to you. Then I'm sure, Mr. Gonzales, you have something to add? Yes. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: So in my view, I have already stated that I think preservation, historical preservation is important, but I don't believe, and I will not accept that the college should be paying for that and that we should be part of that. There should be other funding sources, should come from the city government or the county or maybe a foundation, but the college money should not be spent on those items. So the renovation of the hotels for me is not an option, okay. The other part of it, the other reasons that I oppose it, I mean, I'm okay with the Tucson Inn. You know, if it's going to be a culinary, I think the architect, historically, is nice, but the building itself, what you guys are proposing, the space, looking at the space, even for a pantry, even for counseling, even for a teaching center, I'm sorry, it is not adequate. It is not adequate. I have had meetings. I know how those things work. You're not talking about 1 to 1. You're talking about maybe, I don't know, the provost could probably say how many people would be in a meeting. But it's just not good space utilization. In my view, I could not approve such a project. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. Mr. Gonzales? Excuse me, Dr. Hay? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: I fully support Board Member Ripley's suggestion about really focusing on the social services and the Teaching and Learning Center and phasing this in in a way we don't commit to the whole thing, the whole pie at once. I think her plan and her approach is very sober and really focuses on the student needs and the immediate outcomes without too much cost. I'm fully supportive of her proposal. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Gonzales and then Ms. Ripley. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: $18 million is a lot of money, as well, too. But we need to decide as we are looking at maybe possibly option 3. One of the things that I also will support Ms. Garcia in reference to the renovation, preservation of the hotels, I don't think it's worth it. I did mention the last time I think if we are going to build something, would have to be new construction. I'm a firm believer of that because it should be. As I mentioned the last time, I think it's great that we are trying to preserve, as mentioned a while ago, the signs. I think it's historical. And as I mentioned the last time, for example, the town of Maricopa also have an area in reference to what they're renovating in reference to the signs, as well, too. Earlier there was, one of our audience mentioned honor the past, and one of the things I want to mention is the word "honor." I know back in the initial buying of the properties, it was basically bought in reference to the land, correct? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Silvyn, could you provide some insight into how we purchased these properties? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Well, the driving, the primary goal was that there was a long-time conception that the Downtown Campus would encompass that entire block, essentially. So when these properties became available, there was a discussion about whether to continue with that vision or not, and so the decision was, yes, this was an opportunity to consolidate and increase the footprint of Downtown Campus. So the board took the opportunity to do that. I mean, this is a different board than the one that purchased it, and it's up to this board to decide what to do with those properties. That's the decision before you, but the real intent at the time was we had an opportunity to consolidate or rather expand the footprint of the Downtown Campus. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: And the reason I'm bringing it forward is, as you are all aware, we all got an e-mail in reference to the realtor, in reference to -- and then coming back to the word that it was mentioned back then. It was when Pima Community College did buy it, it was in reference to the dirt, the property, but more importantly the word of being a parking lot as well too back then. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I will say, Mr. Gonzales, just as a point of clarification, when the board made the decision, I myself said I'd like to see adaptive reuse options for these properties and how we could integrate a programmattic approach that aligns with all of the community priorities. I read that letter too. The board never met with that person. I don't know who that is. That was somebody who was involved in the agreement. I'm not sure who they represented or what their relationship was in the agreement, so I can't speak to that. I saw the letter. I forwarded it on to the chancellor. But, you know, what I heard tonight from community members and people who have been involved in planning of this area for many, many years is just how important integrating all of these different things together are. You know, so maybe, Jeff, if you want to, Mr. Silvyn, I don't know if there is anything to say about that letter. >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Well, the letter is from Mike Gross who was the broker involved at the time. I actually had a conversation with them about that letter, and most of it is his personal opinion. It's not related to the purchase. He does have a recollection about his belief about what was intended at the time, but I guess what I'm saying is it's not really relevant. Because, A, the board didn't make any particular commitment to the use of that property. Even if they did, they didn't pass a resolution. The board did not take any collective action as to what would be done with that property. That's the decision of this board. So even to the extent there was a conversation about some concepts at the time, it's not binding in any way on this board. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Thank you, Mr. Silvyn. In the letter, he does mention he saw our study session meeting as well. That's what opted him to generate that information and share it with the rest of the board. Lastly, I just want to end that coming back to the hotels, Cactus and what's the middle one? The Frontier. I don't see it for us or Pima College, in my opinion, to renovate those. I do believe that's a new construction, whatever we are going to be doing, I think is more feasible, cost-efficient, cost-effective. With that, in reference to preservation and renovation, I would like to ask you, Mr. Clinco, to recuse yourself in reference to taking a vote on this, in participating, to avoid any conflict of interest, because you are one of the individuals that is very active in reference to preservation and renovation stuff, as well, too. Correct me if I'm wrong. You have always -- you have some hands also with what's there, as well, too. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So, Mr. Gonzales -- >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Point of order, Mr. Clinco? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Hay? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. I don't see any conflict of interest. It's like saying I'm interested in education, in higher education, and therefore I shouldn't vote on anything on education. I don't see any conflict of interest with Chairman Clinco's -- he has an interest in preservation, sure, but he has no, has zero conflict of interest in this. And I have zero conflict of interest in advancing education. That's a ridiculous statement, and I don't agree with that. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: It might be a ridiculous statement, but as you mentioned, you said you have no activity and nothing in reference to this, and I'll take your word. That's one of the things that we all have to ask. The word means a lot. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Gonzales, I can tell you, and we can have Mr. Silvyn discuss it, so your predecessor brought this issue up. We hired outside counsel and had it looked into, because I was concerned that there would even be the impression of a conflict of interest, because I have no financial primary, secondary, or frankly even tertiary relationship with any of the properties and decisions of the college. Expertise is not a conflict. It would be like if every time you advocated for the Pascua Yaqui community and resources being advocated or assigned to that community that I would say you have a conflict because of your relationship with that governing body. We had it addressed. It's not a conflict, and I don't see recusing myself of my fiduciary responsibility to this institution as the right thing to do. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Okay. It's not a governing body. It's my constituency. Everybody that lives on the reservation that's 18 and over and within my district, those are my constituents, constituency. In reference to with the Pascua Yaqui tribe, the administration and government, that's different. I have always -- in fact, I invited Mr. Lambert and also, as I mentioned before, I want to be included when both boards meet, as well, too. But in reference to working with the community or advocating for students and the parents and the students, those are our constituents. Middle school kids, they are my constituents. As we all know, anybody that lives in that property and they have interest in reference to school, right now, as mentioned earlier, the K12 program, those are potential PCC students, as well, too. But they are all my constituents. So don't mix up the government with my district. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Again, I'm not trying to diminish in any way -- >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Well, that's -- >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I'm saying we will all have different types of expertise. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Exactly. And that's how I received it. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I apologize if -- >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: I know what the gray area is, as well, too. As I mentioned before, as I mentioned before, like I mentioned working with administration, that's different. I would not represent myself or advocate for -- I let them do what they need to be doing, but they need to work with not myself but with the staff and faculty and the administration here. But when you mention the kids and broadly reference to Pascua Yaqui, Pascua Yaqui, I take it as all tribal members. And administration is different. >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman Clinco, are you in any way involved in any of the decisions involving the historic preservation of the property? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: No. I have no financial -- only on this body. I mean, this is it. >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Right. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I have no financial -- >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: But there are no decisions about what's historical, what's not -- you're not involved with any of that, right? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: No. >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Okay. So it's a mute point. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Again, there was a report that was done, you can get a copy from Jeff, the assessment that was done. I don't have any legal conflict. >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Good to know. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: You don't have anything to do with any of the properties adjacent to that either; is that correct? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I don't own or have any relationship with any property within I think probably a mile and a half radius. I want to be careful, because I do live a little bit south of downtown, so probably within a mile and a half radius of the campus. I don't have any financial interest in any properties in a primary, secondary or even tertiary way. I don't have any personal investment. But I do care about the alignment of our community's priorities in the same way that we all care about different things, and that expertise is something that I have certainly shared and I hope to bring to this -- I actually think adaptive reuse is a really incredible model, because we don't tear buildings down, don't take them to the dump, we are able to find a viable dynamic use which aligns with our institutional priorities. To me, that's a synergy of a positive impact, because we are doing multiple things at once and we are addressing some of the most critical needs of the college. The center of teaching and learning, immigrant and refugee center, the food pantries, all of these programs are programs we have articulated over and over again our key priorities for the institution. So finding a good marriage to me is something that we should be excited about and promoting. I understand that that's not how everyone feels. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: For me, those things are very important to me too and I believe to all of us, but in my view, those buildings do not provide the type of space that would be required and to renovate them. Maybe they need to be relocated. The bungalows on Broadway are beautiful. They look very nice. I'm not diminishing the aesthetics and what it is. It's just that is the college the place to do it? >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So I think we should probably conclude the conversation? Ms. Ripley? >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I just want to bring it back in, let's bring it back in, because again, my initial proposal was the Tucson Inn and part of the Cactus Inn for the reasons that we stated, for social services, for diversity, equity, inclusion, for the pantry, for immigration center, all of those things. I think when we had this meeting, the study session, the word that Dr. Dor� presented, which rung a bell with me, is "consolidation." Because all of those things are scattered throughout five campuses. I think having it consolidated somewhere is really important. Now, "adaptive reuse" is the key word. It's not turning these back into hotels. It's a reusing them adaptively and adapting them to our needs. So the inside of it would probably, I'm guessing, would be gutted and it would be, we can make it work as far as the inside of the structure. So maintaining the integrity of the hotels isn't as important as adapting it for our use. I mean, to me, in my eyes, the only thing, only remnant of those hotels will be the sign, the Tucson Inn sign, and everything else will adapt to our own use. That's why I presented a hybrid and minimal dedication of resources. If we're going to spend that money anyway on consolidating, this is a win-win I feel for the community, and I think it would be not just the cool factor but it's also keeping in mind that we wanted that entire square footage of property to make the Downtown Campus "the" hub for Pima Community College, which I think was a long-term strategic plan that I understood it as making, you know, downtown, this is where it's at, there is public transportation, it's more accessible. And accessibility and affordability are the two things that we, as a community college, need to really put our money where our mouth is. That's all I'm going to say about that. Thanks. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I'll be short. I think adaptive -- maybe I misunderstood the word "adaptive." If adaptive is changing it somehow, keeping some of the integrity of what it looks like but changing it so that it is adaptable and makes room for what is needed, I'm okay with that, but I need to see the plan. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So again, that was I think all of the architectural study that has been done -- again, I would not be promoting and advancing something if it didn't have a functional use for the college. I take my fiduciary responsibility very serious. We did all of these studies, all of the architectural studies that were done to look at how and whether they were viable for those types of uses. What we found out is that they were, they were cheaper than new construction, there was potentially federal tax credits or other money that Dr. Bea talked about and that they could serve these functions in a way that made sense. So, I mean, that's what was presented. And so, again, it's not keeping a motel that's going to be serving as a motel. It's how does it actually function. So what I heard was spaces were going to be enclosed, car ports were going to be enclosed, there was going to be indoor/outdoor spaces, gardens, and suddenly outdoor teaching opportunities. There was a whole slew of things while creating this edge of our campus that actually faces outward. I mean, one of the things about the Downtown Campus is it's always been facing inward, always sort of turned its back on the community even though it is in the center of the community. I think this is a really wonderful way to sort of turn that and create something that is also in scale, really relevant for a number of the constituencies and programs that are talking about moving in. >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: You know, I like Cat's plan, but I'd like to see more information if you guys are okay with that. >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: When we hire the architect, and they do the design work, then that's when we'll be able to see much more detail and so forth. So we would be keeping you obviously apprised of all that progress. Then we have to hire a contractor and then the board would have to approve that as part of the process. So all of that will come through this board. >> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: One more thing. Sorry. I know we are running out of time. I think just also to look at the bigger picture, I have traveled all over the world, and part of what I see when I go into a new town is the charm. If I'm going into a new town where there is a bunch of Motel 6s and Ramada Inns, sorry, I don't want to name drop too many, and it can be any town in the world, then I'm not interested. But when I see the charm of Broadway, Congress, the Rialto, the Fox, the charm of downtown that they have done a great job, I was here 25 years ago and it looks different, so I think this is also an opportunity for us to be, to play a bigger role in Tucson, and to really, you know, present ourselves. Again, I think it's a win-win. I think adaptive reuse to social services and particularly to enrollment, teaching, learning, and, yeah, we will keep the sign because it's cool and it's also honoring our history. I just wanted to put that out there. Thanks. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Before we vote, just to clarify what we are voting on, it's option 3, not to exceed 14.5 -- >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Mr. Chair, can I say it this way? Option 3 with the modification to conduct a feasibility study related to the south-end building of the Tucson Inn for either parking and/or hotel housing use, and consideration will be also looked at in terms of a parking structure. I will use welcome center, but that can be loosely set. That would be the motion. Then it would stay within the cost range of $8.3 million to 14,583,865. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So that I believe is the intent of the motion? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: And that's okay with the seconder, just for clarification, Dr. Hay? >> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Yes. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: That is the motion on the table. We are going to have a vote. All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye. (Ayes.) >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: The motion passes 3-2 with Ms. Garcia and Mr. Gonzales abstaining. Request for future agenda items? We heard about potentially a study session to talk about the issues that you have raised, and we are going to be talking about those I would assume anyway as that project comes forward. Are there any other future agenda items? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: It's not an agenda item, but maybe Mr. Lambert can ask -- I have been getting calls from the community in reference to utilizing the parks or the fields, I guess. When can we do that? Or are they open already? >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: I will follow up on that, because we have, you know, been trying to not open up the college too much yet, but as we are moving through this transition to being able to open up, let me find out when we will be opening that up to the community, okay? >> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Okay. The agenda item that I want to share, and Ms. Ripley mentioned it briefly, but I think we need to really go back to the community, either having round tables, to be in touch. Now that we're exiting this gray cloud, I think it's an opportunity to see the light and show the light to the people in reference to how better yet to meet with the people, but also provide them the information and the knowledge as what Pima has to offer to them, as well, too. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: What if we say it like this: Chancellor Lambert, if you could come back at our next regularly scheduled meeting, not the special meeting that we might have, but the regular meeting, and present a public engagement plan for the board that we can actualize and go out as board members and really try to be the leaders, engaged with the college leadership to actually reach out to those constituencies? Does that sound like that would work? That type of plan? Rather than just having another study session where we hear a lot of information, actually a plan? Does that, Chancellor Lambert, is that -- >> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Absolutely, we will do that. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: It will be on the agenda, but it will be a plan we will actualize and all commit to. Yes? >> MS. MARIA GARCIA: When are we going to get the information on the lawyer for the bylaws? >> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Andrea and I will work on setting, seeing what some options for dates are for a different topic we had talked about, possibly a couple of dates, last week of June. We will see if one of those might work. >> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Does that sound good to everybody? Okay. Hearing no other agenda items, we are adjourned. Thank you all very much. (Adjournment.) ********************************************* DISCLAIMER: THIS CART FILE WAS PRODUCED FOR COMMUNICATION ACCESS AS AN ADA ACCOMMODATION AND MAY NOT BE 100% VERBATIM. THIS IS A DRAFT FILE AND HAS NOT BEEN PROOFREAD. IT IS SCAN-EDITED ONLY, AS PER CART INDUSTRY STANDARDS, AND MAY CONTAIN SOME PHONETICALLY REPRESENTED WORDS, INCORRECT SPELLINGS, TRANSMISSION ERRORS, AND STENOTYPE SYMBOLS OR NONSENSICAL WORDS. 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